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Women Bridging the Gap

Welcome to Women Bridging the Gap, a free-wheeling, conversation podcast co-hosted by Lenya Wilson, a Black woman and Alexandra D’Italia, a white woman. As two women over 50 who are still dreaming, planning, and working,...more

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July 22, 2020

Karenism

How do Black Women and White Women understand the term Karen and how do we use that understanding to bridge the gap between us? Listen as Lenya and Alexandra discuss their first experiences with Karenism, topics of other nicknames for white women abusing their privilege, and if we should even be using these nicknames or if each one of them should be outed by their name to shame them. Notes: 1. [Check Your Privilege with Myisha T – Become a Co-Conspirator | Chats, Workshops & Join the Lounge](https://checkyourprivilege.co/) 2. [About Caucasity and the Difference Between a Becky, a Karen and a Susan | Awesomely Luvvie](https://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/2020/04/caucasity-karen-becky-susan.html) 3. [Beyonce, Sorry](https://youtu.be/QxsmWxxouIM) 4. [https://chicagodefender.com/charged-with-a-crime-of-karen-ing-the-amy-cooper-inspired-law- backed-by-governor-cuomo/](https://chicagodefender.com/charged-with-a-crime-of-karen-ing-the-amy-cooper-inspired-law- backed-by-governor-cuomo/) 5. [https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/05/coronavirus-karen-memes-reddit- twitter-carolyn-goodman/611104/](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/05/coronavirus-karen-memes-reddit- twitter-carolyn-goodman/611104/) 6. [https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/07/18/bbq-becky-permit-patty-and-why-internet- shaming-white-people-who-police-black-people/793574002/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/07/18/bbq-becky-permit-patty-and-why-internet- shaming-white-people-who-police-black-people/793574002/) 7. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/11/07/kidz-bop-karen-went-viral-on-camera-road- rage-lyft-passenger-she-targeted-calls-tirade-scary/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/11/07/kidz-bop-karen-went-viral-on-camera-road- rage-lyft-passenger-she-targeted-calls-tirade-scary/) 8. [https://www.insider.com/karen-meme-origin-the-history-of-calling-women-karen-white-2020-5](https://www.insider.com/karen-meme-origin-the-history-of-calling-women-karen-white-2020-5) 9. [https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/how-karen-went-from-a-popular- baby-name-to-a-stand-in-for-white-entitlement-139644](https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/how-karen-went-from-a-popular- baby-name-to-a-stand-in-for-white-entitlement-139644) Prompts to get us going—in a slight arc: 1. When do you first hear of the term? 2. Do you think the Karenism is entitlement, race or both? 3. Should it be a crime to call the police on Black People being Black? 4. Have you experienced a Karen? Been a Karen? 5. What do you say to Black women named Karen? Is it the name? 6. Do you think it ever gets too mean or pointed to describe a type of person with physical attributes? 7. If someone has been a Karen in the past…what next? -- Please **rate and review** this podcast if you enjoyed it; they greatly helps new listeners see this podcast is worth their time. You can find Women Bridging the Gap on [Apple Podcasts](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/women-bridging-the-gap/id1521503012) and [Podchaser](https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/women-bridging-the-gap-1304390). **We want to hear from you!** Let us know how you’re speaking about these issues with your friends. **Let us know what topics you want to hear!** Email us at [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) You can find us at: [WomenBridgingtheGap.com](https://womenbridgingthegap.com) You can find Lenya at: Instagram - [@Lenya_ goddess_ that_bitch](https://www.instagram.com/lenya_goddess_that_bitch) You can find Alexandra ...

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July 15, 2020

Beauty Gap

What is the feminine beauty ideal? Who decided that ideal and why is it what it is? Does it help anyone or does it just push everyone to want more? Listen as Alexandra D'Italia and Lenya Wilson explore their personal history of beauty culture, what is expected of women in the workplace, and how different the experience is for white women and Black women. Alexandra probes as Lenya unpacks the details about what styles and aspects of Black culture are misappropriated and offensively misused, why it’s offensive, and how to remedy this mistake to show respect. Sources: The Swirl Suite, [https://www.swirlsuite.com/](https://www.swirlsuite.com/) Links to Lenya’s sources for her talk on Cultural Appropriation at Alexandra’s 2019 Writing Leap Art & Literary Salon, which celebrated Fashion & Identity. * Mackenzie Wagoner, The Dreadlocks Debate: How Hair is Sparking the Conversation of the Moment, Vogue, [https://www.vogue.com/article/dreadlocks-hair-debate-moment](https://www.vogue.com/article/dreadlocks-hair-debate-moment), * Elle Magazine, Update: Marc Jacobs Responds to Backlash Over Spring 2017 Dreadlicks Look, [https://www.elle.com/fashion/news/a39304/marc-jacobs-spring-2017-dreadlocks-controversy/](https://www.elle.com/fashion/news/a39304/marc-jacobs-spring-2017-dreadlocks-controversy/) * Steven Reidy & Meher Kanigiri, How are Ethnic Hairstyles Really Viewed in the Workplace?, [https://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1133&context=student](https://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1133&context=student) * Trevor Noah, Black Americans in the Workplace, The Daily Social Distancing Show, [https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=289587739117002](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=289587739117002) Where Alexandra volunteers: Jacaranda School for Orphans, [http://www.jacarandafoundation.org/](http://www.jacarandafoundation.org/) -- Want to talk about this with your friends? Use our conversation prompts to get you going: 1. Who did you want to look like when you were in grammar school, if anyone. 2. How much diversity was in your childhood world? Segregated? 3. What picture books did you love...and those early novels, if any? Any black protagonists? Female? 4. When you were friends, what magazines did you read? Who did you think was the prettiest? Why? . 5. How did high school look? Cliques? Beauty? Who was ...

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July 07, 2020

Introducing Women Bridging The Gap

Welcome to Women Bridging The Gap, a podcast with Lenya Wilson and Alexandra D’Italia discussing race, womanhood, and more. Please subscribe for weekly discussions, visit our website at [womenbridgingthegap.com](https://womenbridgingthegap.com) and get in touch with us on Instagram: * [Lenya Wilson](https://www.instagram.com/lenya_goddess_that_bitch) * [Alexandra D’Italia](https://www.instagram.com/thewritingleap/) * Or email us at [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) ...

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